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Re: [linrad] linrad installation problem
- Subject: Re: [linrad] linrad installation problem
- From: "Rein A. Smit" <rein0zn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:19:33 -0700
Yes indeed, that is what I experience with linux.
Like in my case I found out that the Kernel was not
completely installed. It is like installing part of dos or
windows, at least that is the way, I see it.
What was messing is the Kernal-Source, some 40 MB by the way.
I am sure for the experienced linux user this is beyond
imagination such a thing to happen.
After Arie had made me aware that there was probably something
wrong with the kernel I found this out.
I think Linux is probably great for the user interested in
Word processing, Internet matters, spreadsheets few games
and the like.
Wat I really miss here, is the ability to install and de-install
programs etc and in particular knowing and be able to trace and
correct problems in these area's as missing include files and
Not that these files are sometimes missing but they sit in
directories where they can not be found by the compiler.
If you program in C, VB or Java all this stuff sits nicely
in places where the compiler has no trouble finding it.
I guess you can only learn this by playing with it and do a lot
As stated here, books are not needed, In all those books I have there
they have 2 pages or less on manual installing things ( ./configure,
make, make install as that is all there is to it.
I can't see any way how the casual linux user CAN work with this and
it has to be the Achilles heel of Linrad. UnlesS the group comes up
with a standard configuration for people that have not worked with
Linux for whatever time.
I also have to say that statements, as Linux should be free and you
just download it, are not helpful for beginners. You try to download
on a regular dial-up user with the phone company's counter running
everywhere except in the US is case. So I would say 5 Euros for 3
is a bargain. On the other hand there are books like RED HEAD and
books centered around RH for dummies that come with the cd's
Talking about a standard approach for Linrad. In my opinion, it is
really does not matter whether we go RH, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian or
Caldera or what ever. They cost all the same except RH now.
A video card is no big expense, and one of the many regular
soundblaster cards is no problem either. OK the Delta44 is another
story. I have one here. But I like to get LINRAD working with just
the audio part first and the onboard sound section as I am not quite
sure that spending the USD 70 for the OPENSOUND driver for the
DELTA 44 and second card driver will put me in business.
It is certainly not my intention to scare anyone or complain but
in my opinion DSP in weak signal is of the most importance if amateur
radio weak signal work is to survive from here on forward, as the
Linrad is a system that could let people enjoy weak signal being it
on EME. VLF or 40m QRP or what have you. It conserves the beloved
morse code if nothing else
Fewer people on the world scene and even in this United States
are allowed or have the resources to build a full blown
station. Most of today's amateurs have to limit amateur radio
to having an HT strapped to their their belt. They have
never experienced a OH, SM of Russian station coming in over the
pole with flutter or long path communication or so many other
areas in our hobby
And if there is really only one user with a full operational
system, it is too bad and a waste of time that Leif has and is
spending to develop the software. His intentions go probably
beyond applications in Amateur Radio. But that is just a guess
from this side.
73 Rein W6/PA0ZN
> Hi Rien,
> Arie pointed in the right direction. Indeed the gcc is missing.
> Nice to know that installations are not complete....
> I downloaded a gcc and tried the installation. It asks for a cc (another
> compiler!) in order to install the compiler!?.
> This incomplete Linux stuff is driving me crazy!!
> I will have to find a "Linux-nerd" to help me, because this is getting me
> 73 Henk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rein A. Smit" <rein0zn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <linrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [linrad] linrad installation problem
> > Hello Henk,
> > That is all Linux!. If you compile, the compiler needs and is
> > using files which are located in all sorts of directories all
> > over your hard drive. These locations vary form one distribution
> > and possible version to another. Is is a big pain and you
> > may see one user compiling without any problems and a few lines
> > while another experiences all kinds of files missing in the
> > process. I guess the point is to get all needed files located
> > in the right directories.
> > I hope this keeps you from throwing the computer in the corner.
> > You are not the first person experiencing this, believe me.
> > I had Leifs installation processing running the first time I did
> > it without any problems but my sound card input does not get
> > disconnected from its output so much for that. I have been
> > fighting this problem now for weeks and nobody else seems
> > to have this problem. Though there are hundreds of questions
> > on the different linux reflectors about sounds in Linux!
> > BTW Arie provides excellent help.
> > 73 Rein W6/PA0ZN